wow. i had missed most of this off-topic discussion. and i'm sorry to have done so. i've read back. i'm not crazy about so much political off-topic stuff in an ibook group, but it IS still a free country (although the bushies are making it less and less so).... anyway, i always like to add my bit to things, but in this case, i think that jack rodgers guy has said what i think - right up and down the line - eloquently, to the point, clearly, and correctly on every point. (well, of course, 'correctly', since i'm in agreement.) and that other guy who thinks bush is so great, well, he's sadly mistaken and duped by the conservative line. and when the guy pulls his head out of the sand, i hope he still has his freedoms to express his opinons. joel...