On Tuesday, January 28, 2003, at 11:39 PM, Jack Rodgers wrote: >> You could think of this as being no more illegal than parking in a >> Reserved for Customers parking lot downtown. And less likely to be >> caught. > > What are your credentials for making such a statement? Sigh. :>( What credentials do I need, Jack? How about a fanatical adherence to the Bill Of Rights? I've got my Voter Registration card here, want me to scan it in and email it to you? (Oh, that's right, the State of Florida doesn't respect Registration cards...(just a joke..:>) )) While software is always changing, right now it appears that merely logging on a WiFi Open connection doesn't harvest ID off your laptop. That's according to the author of MacStumbler. And as I said, if the site uses Access Control Lists then you have to be registered to even login. It seems to me therefore that anyone who wants privacy can get it easily. And those who don't care, that's like free parking.... Maybe soon sites with WiFi will either go with Access Control Lists or post a No War Driving notice... Here's my experience. I'm too far out in the country to get Cable Modem access. My ISP is setting up local wireless but I'd need a tower to clear the trees on the horizon. And $60 a month, not to mention losing my ability to dialup from work too. So I asked around about other options. At my ISP, they had an article about how proud they were to have put in a WiFi network at their headquarters. I asked about it, "Can paying members come in and use the Wireless connection?" And the lady said "If you've got a membership, sure". So, after about a year I found a good price on an Airport card. I came in to their new offices, and asked if they had a form for their Access Control Lists, and how long it took to be registered. Well, let's skip forward to the part where this lady declaimed, "I would NEVER say anything like that !!". I talked to the owner of the ISP and he was puzzled at my effrontery in asking for help. He said something like "We have a direct connection to the Internet here, if we were to allow customers to login we'd have to charge a lot more than $60 a month". So, I left. Noplace to even test the new Airport card. But I did open my iBook in the parking lot. Hmm, there's a signal there. Guess the Airport card works, anyway. If I were the angry, vengeful type I'd get a parabolic dish and scope them out from 50 yards away. These people talk about being friendly but it's just talk. I realized a year ago that they were just trashing my support emails and questions. The local Library said THEY were putting in a wireless network. I had asked, because there's a library thirty miles away that has a wireless network and loans out iBooks (cool, huh?). Their go-to guy assured me that their network would be up at the end of August 2002 or early September. I asked him if I could check back from time to time about this. He said, 'Sure'. I asked him specifically if Patrons could bring in their wireless equipped laptops. He said "YES". So, I came back in September, and the desk librarian (anti-Apple, by the way) said, "The wireless network is up now, it was a little rocky for the first two days but it's fine now". So I asked how a Patron logs in. Want to guess what happened next? (I don't even know why they need wireless for their PCs, it's not like they didn't already have cables run everwhere !) Their go-to guy avoids me now, like he's got a guilty conscience. Seems that the library board decided that Patrons using their WiFi network constituted the Library acting as an ISP, and they'd ruled against that two years ago. I'm waiting for things to cool off a little, and then I'll write a letter to a Library Board member we do business with. As for getting caught... ask Randy what he thinks. If there's no precedent yet then this could go either the CB radio way or the Wire Fraud way. If the first precedent says that an open network is like CB radio, then everything is cool. If some paranoid IT guy claims borrowing bandwidth is tantamount to Wire Fraud, then there goes another civil liberty... and it's often the Rights you didn't realize you had that you'll miss when they start taking them away. The Ninth Amendment notwithstanding. Jkirk I once thought about starting a club to discuss the philosophy of Fatalism. But then I realized that even if anyone came, they'd only come to steal the folding chairs.