jonathan your points well taken. as i have been preaching for years, the problem is the lack of supervisation and accountablity with some of our kids. i as a tech find it increasingly frustrating to fix and refix things that could be prevented had the labs and computers been looked after by staff and students. i have stated my opinion only to have it ignored. the problem is there and the solution is too. maine does have the right idea, but in some of our schools the technology can not be purchased so we must do with what we have. and if it keeps getting trashed for no reason then the money for new will continue to go into repairing the broken. the people making the descisions dont always have a look see at the day to day useage of the tecnology. but we do the best with what we have. which is far more then i had when i was long ago a highschooler. -- Brian Hodkin CNA I.T. Specialist Budding writer Http://www.svsd.mb.ca/tcd/ Resident Computer tech and catch all Southwest Horizon School Division South Western Manitoba Canada " i work in schools but have no class"