I taught myself Dvorak several years ago and now use it exclusively, unless I'm at someone else's computer. I'd put in a good twenty years on the QWERTY, so my touch typing skills were modest to decent. Where I work is a Windows environment, so I just switched the internal configurations. I learned using a very nice app called Ten Thumbs Typing Tutor. I popped the keys off my old Powerbook 1400 (an easy task), and rearranged the layout. It's a very nice feel for typing. I'd suggest going with a typing tutor to gain some real practice. It' made my learning faster. At first I was pokey and frustrated, but it didn't take long to get up to a good speed. I haven't switched my keys on my 500mhz ibook. I go by memory and remembering where the keys are. The OS X version of keycaps helps, too. I have Show Character Palette in the menu bar at the top along with the Dvorak keyboard selection from the internal OS X layout. Hope this helps. Mark On Thursday, March 13, 2003, at 12:00 PM, Eugen Leitl wrote: > On Thu, 13 Mar 2003, andy van der raadt wrote: > >> If it's not possible in an easy and elegant matter, it's not that >> big a deal, as I currently have some 20 years or so experience w/ >> Qwerty. I'm probably just out to make a Project for myself to >> fill some time.