The 17" Powerbook has two competitors. Toshiba has a rather ungainly 17" that is quite fast, windows open instantly. HP just introduced a new one with a numerical keypad! Either can be had for $1000 less than Apple's and about the price of the 12" alBook or a little more than the 14" iBook. --- <http://www.JackRodgers.com> <http://www.lobatelacscale.com> JackRodgers at earthlink.net