Whoa, dude, is there a new computer show on Fox News? I have got to go textual on one paragraph of your post because it had among the highest of old mac misperceptions as any I've seen. Moore below V On Monday, November 3, 2003, at 04:22 PM, Remell Boyer wrote: > There are a few things that you have to admit: Macs are more > expensive, no matter which way you slice the "get what you pay > for/value argument". Actually, we need admit no such thing. Gartner and others over the years have documented the total cost of ownership of peecees, counting support costs, time wasted catering to the device and its kludgy software, time wasted with never-ending viruses, tedious and demanding networking procedures, hold time at tech support and user frustration combine to make the life-span of a typical peecee far more expensive than a Mac. This assumes, of course, that you consider your own time worth anything. I do. For doing the work I do, not for futzing w a poorly performing tool. > They are slower, Oh? By what measure? The numbers on the box or actual performance of tasks? Are you familiar with the differences between RISC and CISC? > they less flexible with hardware choices, This is as close as you came to factual, but it is way out of date. Back when we all had to have custom apple connectors for everything, there was truth to this, but that is so old millennium now. When Apple embraced and innovated usb and firewire standards, that sort of argument began taking lots of water and is pretty much a wet old hat today. > and mostly behind the technology curve. For as many innovations as > Apple introduces, there are many more that they miss. Really? Who is it that's shipping a 64 bit machine today? And who did it first? But more important, just what is it that Microsoft or Dell have successfully innovated? The real point is, if Apple weren't continuing to innovate in the consumer space, I am not at all sure anybody would, and you might still be working on floppies. Seriously, I spent last year trying to torture the work I needed to do out of a high-dollar, professionally supported NT system. I finally gave up and brought in my old Powerbook just so I could get my work out and then mail it to myself at the office. For my money, it's the difference between a new BMW and an old Chevy Nova. I am as tired of anyone of the OS holy wars, and want to be nice too, but in computers as anything else it's better to look around before you buy a lie. best, jpm