Don't you know? This forum has morphed into a 'Doze promotion zone and all things Mac are only just as good, even if the facts speak otherwise. You'll have to revise your facts to fit this new dogma. Paul On Tuesday, November 4, 2003, at 12:46 AM, Nick Haralambopoulos wrote: > Did you see the specs of the Toshiba? The weight is 10lbs (6.9 for the > PowerBook) and they give you Windows XP preinstalled and various > "productivity" software. Meaning Explorer, Outlook and utilities to > keep the disk in shape. For $800 more Apple gives all the great iLife > suite and a PowerBook you can carry without being Arnold.