> One of my colleagues who has one of our desktop G4s for use at home > came in yesterday complaining of exactly the same kinds of symptoms > after running the most recent security update from Apple. He was using > Jaguar and it was working until he installed the update. We UPGRADED > his machine to Panther and it works just fine. This sounds like the wrong security update was installed. I noticed that most of the patches at Apple were specific to each operating system, so there was the same patch, but one for 10.1, one for 10.2, and a third for 10.3 Best Regards, Wayne macguy at adelphia.net