I, too, find these messages extremely irritating, and somebody needs to give the subscriber a heads-up that it is just plain rude to subject a whole list to these. (I'm giving them the benefit of the doubt and assuming they're just clueless and not aware of their faux pas.) But I don't think it's an email address harvesting scheme . . . or if so, they're very slow about it, because the address I use for the list doesn't (yet) get spam. That said, I'm going to start removing my "real" email address from my sig, just in case. And I know it's frustrating, but it's no more a violation of our civil rights than when an executive has his mail opened by a secretary. This service is authorized by the subscriber to handle their incoming email. What I wonder is whether the subscriber realizes how much email they never see. Have they *ever* gotten an iBook list post? If so, it's probably only a handful, and the subscriber must think this is the lightest-trafficked, most disjointed discussion list ever. Or maybe they get digests (does this list do digests?) and they're currently reading this post, shaking their head at how clueless the poor Suremail subscriber is. Heh. What really bugs me is that the service doesn't indicate exactly *which* address they're buffering. Or maybe I'm missing an essential clue hidden in the headers? If somebody needs to give the subscriber a heads-up and/or unsubscribe them, how do you do that without their address?! ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ Joy Freeman ~ from manuscript to bound book ~ Editorial, Design, and Production Services