I've always enjoyed being able to type in the little Apple logo with the bite taken out of it although I haven't used it for some time. I think all that was needed was to type "K" with the Option key. When I upgraded to Tiger (now at 10.4.2) a few months ago, I didn't think about it and haven't had the need to use it until now. This time, when I went to type it, it wouldn't show up. I have one of the fonts widgets for Dashboard, so I went looking for it and couldn't find it. I then went to Key Caps in OS 9.2 -I like the little keyboard which shows all the keys in all my fonts- and I still couldn't find it although I quit looking after Helvetica (I have several hundred fonts). Has Apple taken away my apple? How can I get it back? And, is there anything comparable for OS X to the old Classic OS with Key Caps? Key Caps is still the easiest font face finder that I've ever used since it shows the whole keyboard at a time. Fred iBook G3 900 14.4"