Your point is well made, Chris. And I hear it a lot. For many, Windows is their best choice for what they want to do or for the software their company uses. I won't bother to address the issue that 99.99% of the software a company needs is actually available on the Mac, too. That's another topic. My point here is when these same people come to me because they want to learn how to shoot and edit video or make cool DVDs and i tell them that the best software to do that runs on a Mac, they aren't willing to accept that. They are willing to suffer using inferior software on a flawed platform rather than choose the best for the task. If your assertion is correct, then so is mine. You can talk all you want about the choice of software driving the hardware choice, and you can chide Mac users for their zealousness, but I have seen as much and more on the Windows side too. Platform investment and infrastructure to support that choice colors all subsequent decisions, even in the face of superior alternatives. When it comes to platform bigotry, Windows users can be the worst. Apple has worked very hard to be compatible in a Windows world. They have succeeded (and are thriving) because they offer a premium experience and innovative tools. Their users may be a small percentage of the total market, but they are mindful of the need to promote compatibility and open standards. They have been willing to coexist because they have to. Microsoft and it's users don't even try to be compatible because they don't have to. Instead they are proprietary and exclusionary. I can't count how many times I've run into this, especially on the Web ...a supposedly platform-agnostic environment. Arrogance will be the downfall of Microsoft some day. Those who are willing to be open minded have noticed the "sea change" in the market. It will be interesting to see what the next 10 years brings. ------------------------------------------------------------------ Ronald Woodland, Assistant Professor 435.652.7970 Director of Visual Technologies Program Dixie State College - St. George, Utah 84770 woodland at dixie.edu http://cit.cs.dixie.edu woodland at infowest.com ------------------------------------------------------------------ ======================================= On Jan 13, 2006, at 10:26 PM, Chris Olson wrote: On Jan 13, 2006, at 9:50 PM, Thomas Fulton wrote: > So you are saying I should spend my whole computerized life in a > Windoze environment just because one software product won't port > to the right OS........Amazing case of dramatic missed the point > syndrome, eh? It depends on what that software application is. Because otherwise you could have an amazing case of dramatic missed the boat syndrome. Example: If you're an engineer, and your main application is AutoCAD I'd say you're loony of you try to tell me "it's the only Windows application I use so I'll run it in VirtualPC on my Mac, or run it in WINE on Mandriva Linux". You belong on a Windows machine. Business and Enterprise works the same way - companies buy software solutions and get support from vendors like AutoDesk or ESRI. They don't rush to the Apple Store and buy 250 Macs for the engineering dept just because they think they're better than Windows. Then throw their hands in the air and complain because ESRI ArcView isn't available for Mac. They buy a software solution from ESRI to do the job, and they compare many different vendors and bids before making a purchase decision and signing support agreements. The software solution dictates the operating environment required to run it, both client and client/server. The fact is, you can call it Windoze, M$, or what ever other little grammatical slurs you want to throw at it, and it doesn't change the fact that the business world runs on Microsoft software, and millions upon millions of people use it every day to get the job done. Usually without any of the horrible consequences that platform evangelists like to portray. The Mac is merely an alternative operating environment that works well for maybe 3-5% of the computing population. The day I can go to my local OfficeMax and see as many software titles on the shelf for Mac as I do Windows is the day the Mac will be a VIABLE alternative for the general computing population. -- Chris ------------------------- PGP Key: http://astcomm.net/~chris/PGP_Public_Key/ ------------------------- _______________________________________________ Titanium mailing list Titanium at listserver.themacintoshguy.com http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/mailman/listinfo/titanium Listmom is trying to clean out his closets! Vintage Mac and random stuff: http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQsassZmacguy1984