hi all, I know these posts were off-topic to ibook but were very on topic as to the current climate. I thank these cats for giving voice to stuff you just won't hear on the ram-rod sideshow stuff most of us are exposed to. I know it's out of place here maybe but I'm still glad I got to read it - it gives me hope, a little. on both wheels, watt > >Message-Id: <200301041310.h04DAk7l070337 at mail.bendnet.com> >Subject: Re: [P1] self-quotes >Date: Sat, 4 Jan 2003 05:10:43 -0800 >From: George Slusher <gslusher at rio.com> > >[snip] > >To me, this is only fair. For many years, the burden of military service >has fallen disproportionately on the poor, uneducated, and >minorities--those with the least power. It would also personalize the war >decision for the President and Congress. I wonder if GW would be as >anxious to invade Iraq if he knew that his twins would be infantry >privates in the first landing party? > >George Slusher, Lt Col, USAF (Ret) >Eugene, OR >gslusher at rio.com > and > >Message-Id: <v03110700ba3cc8293b1d@[192.168.1.100]> >Date: Sat, 4 Jan 2003 11:26:47 -0600 >From: John Paul Moore <JohnPaulMoore at austin.rr.com> >Subject: Re: [P1] self-quotes > >At 10:38 AM -0600 1/4/03, Eric B. Richardson wrote: >> >>Finally, prior to this 'chicken hawk' had intimations of a pedophile, >>and using such language towards the president and his cabinet is >>shameful and reprehensible. The people that coined this term knew >>what they were doing and now you do too. Hopefully, now that you do, >>you will stop. > >Although this whole thread is way OT, I cannot let this go unchallenged. It >is by no means "shameful" and definitely not "reprehensible" to call the >president and any of the cabinet by whatever name fits, and for those who >are now advocating war but who managed conveniently to dodge their duty as >Americans during Vietnam, "chickenhawk" is a very good fit indeed. This is >not shameful behavior; it is instead in the proudest tradition of American >Democracy, a tradition some of us wore uniforms to defend, to call a spade >a soiled shovel. > >[snip] > -- -- -- -- mike watt's hoot page: http://hootpage.com/ -- hear watt on the web, the watt from pedro show: http://twfps.com/ -- --